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Right you are. But I already have all this in CD, including the "Golden Age Dreams" you mentioned. This is a live recording - but unfortunately only Carmine with other people appears on that album. It is not bad, but it is not VF.

But do you know why "Mistery" is not available in CD?


Just thought I'd let you know, Wido, that I think a boxed set of Fudge CDs - that includes the Mystery album too - is long overdue!! What a great set that would be!

Casey


Wido, You probably have all of this stuff in your own collection but for the benefit of the other fans I thought I'd list some of Vanilla Fudge's rarities one can still find with a little effort.

1.CD: "The Sullivan Years - Born to Be Wild Rock Classics" on TVT records #TVT 9430-2. This cd contains both live performances by the Vanilla Fudge on the Ed Sullivan television show including "You Keep Me Hangin On" which aired 1/14/69 and "Shotgun" performed 2/2/69. These are actually live recordings and not lip syncs for TV. The cd is still in print and can be found at CD NOw or the Entertainment Connection online.

2.CD: "Things Go Better With Coke - Sixties Coca-Cola Commercials 1965-69", McCann-Erickson, Inc, #AT-134. This recording contains the short and long versions of Vanilla Fudge's "legendary" Coke commercial they recorded with Jeff Beck in the 60's. The cd also contains 62 other versions of "Rock-Coke Commercials" from that era with an amazingly diverse "whose-who" of Pop/Rock artists singing for Coke. A strange listening experience if you listen to all 64 tracks at one time....(smile)

3.LP: "Classic Cuts-18 Mar. 1991", MJI Broadcasting, This is a vinyl album of brief radio interviews introducing the various artist's hit single. The album interviews Mark Stein & Tim Bogert explaining how they came up with the Fudge's arrangement for "You Keep Me Hangin' On" and then the actual song is played. The LP does the same with other artists includingTRaffic's Steve Winwood & Dave Mason; and Mickey Hart of the GRateful Dead.

The last two recordings, folks will have to browse the ads of Goldmine magazine or a good record shop to locate. The Sullivan cd, as I said, remains in print and can be ordered through your retailer.

BTW- I know we'd love to hear any Vanilla Fudge stories out of Germany. The Fudge were always a lot more popular in Europe than in their native US. Did you ever see them perform in concert back in the sixties? Best Regards, Bill.


Hi Wido, But I already have all this in CD, including the "Golden Age Dreams" you mentioned. This is a live recording - but unfortunately only Carmine with other people appears on that album. It is not bad, but it is not VF.<> Sigh... Man, I was hoping that "Golden Age Dreams" was a new compilation of the Fudge. I saw it listed in a catalog and ordered it-hoping against hope, to get the Mystery track of that song on cd. The only great thing about the "Live" album was the fact Carmine was on it. His vocal renditions of Curtis Mayfield's "People Get Ready" are the finest versions of that song ever recorded.

But do you know why "Mistery" is not available in CD?<> Nope. I broke my "crystal ball" and that's the only way one can penetrate the absurdities of why so much great music has been deliberately left unreissued onto cd. Going back to your original question: WHY hasn't ATCO reissued ALL the original Vanilla Fudge albums on cd? Why has RCA failed to reissue Mark Stein's "Boomerang" album? Why has CBS refused to issue Mark Stein's solo album he recorded in 1979 (according to Keyboard magazine)? WHY hasn't their been a boxed, re-mastered set of Vanilla Fudge's recordings on cd's? You keep right on asking those questions, Wido. Maybe somebody in the industry will actually "listen" to the * commercial demand* if not the *MUSIC*. All the very best to you, Bill Bates


As much as I want all of Vanilla Fudge's music on good quality CDs, I have my doubts whether they'll find an exquisite guy to remaster the stuff. Lots of remastered stuff I bought is simply inferior as sound quality concerns than vinyl. It seems the sound engineers have become deaf. With Vanilla Fudge's complex type of music, you really need someone who understands to this complexity before s/he hijacks the control-room. I have no idea whether there is someone out there who could do the job properly. I only wish that Vanilla Fudge themselves take control over such a remastering to make sure that they get the quality they like and consequently they like us to listen to. Now, Vince, I hope you got the message.

Eberhard


Hi Eberhard,

Great comments and suggestions regarding the remastering of Vanilla Fudge's recorded works! I'm glad you have finally joined us here on the forum. I hope Vince and Carmine nored your suggestion too! Peace,Bill


You know, Bill, I learn a lot from you guys who know a LOT about Vanilla Fudge. I simply love them but then, I haven't found much information about them, neither in Europe nor here in Australia. I know a bit about rock-music and a few facts here and there, so I'm pleased to be part of this *Forum* and get to know that Vanilla Fudge was all about. - Regarding the remastering of CDs, I've been listening to rock-music for the past 30+ years. And I must say, as much as CDs present a *safer medium* they lack the warmth and depth of vinyl. I'm not a technician, thus I don't know why it is so. The only CD which I found of exquisite sound quality is Boz Scaggs' "Some change" (1994). And how did he produce the suff? Very simple: he set up a studio, recorded everything analogue using supreme quality equipment which was partly tailor-made for the project and he mixed everything analogue. You can imagine that nobody is willing to invest larger sums to accomplish excellent sound quality. With regard to Vanilla Fudge, I believe, this is absolutely essential - and that's why I mentioned it. The question is: who is willing to pay for such an endeavor? Which label has an interest in quality these days? Don't ask me because I wouldn't be able to name one. I can only hope that Vanilla Fudge finds someone who is generous enough to spend his/her money on some excellent music. - Shall we start praying?

Eberhard


Hi Eberhard,

I know a bit about rock-music and a few facts here and there, so I'm pleased to be part of this *Forum* and get to know that Vanilla Fudge was all about<> Frankly I'd say you know a lot more than just a "bit" about rock music (g). You've been posting some excellent information, comments and suggestions here and we're lucky to have you.

And I must say, as much as CDs present a *safer medium* they lack the warmth and depth of vinyl.<> I agree totally. I love the sound of vinyl LP's and the art work on the Covers is really missed. CD's simply aren't the same. Also, I'm not that impressed with the cd's durability. One tiny pinhole knick on the label of a cd can render the disc unplayable and irrepairable. There's some sealers you can buy to potect the cd but it's expensive and tedious, since you usually have to mail them off to a place that afixes the seals on the label side of the disc.

The question is: who is willing to pay for such an endeavor? Which label has an interest in quality these days? Don't ask me because I wouldn't be able to name one. I can only hope that Vanilla Fudge finds someone who is generous enough to spend his/her money on some excellent music. - Shall we start praying?<> Oremus! (BG). I really like your idea about getting the band to remaster their own recordings. A good example is Roger Glover's remastering of the 25th ANiversery reissue of Deep Purple's "In ROck" along with their hit single, "Black Night". Before those came out the cd's availible for that LP were simply awful in the US.

The cd consumer is a lot more sophisticated about cd's now, and changes are happening (ie Rolling Stone's, Frank Zappa's & Led Zeppelin's remastered cd's). People are tired of buying poorly mastered (or over dubbed) reissues and to sell their "product" the companies are actually going to have to provide a little quality assurance and control. It's just so tragic that throughout the eighties-early nineties, US record companies flooded the market with extremely poor quality cd's.

One other thing to note: vinyl is making something of a comeback. Some labels are reissuing limited quantities of classic LP's. ALso,the "Dance Music" scene in California is heavily into vinyl recordings for their own music (though I can't tell you much about that music - I have seen their record stores fully stocked with INDIE label vinyl platters in blank covers). BTW- In San Francisco there is a popular DJ/Party group called "Vanilla Fudge"who work the clubs and parties scenes. Again, I don't know much about that cultural niche but it nonetheless is supporting a whole subculture of devoted vinyl record buyers. Let's hope the trend eventually spreads to other musical genres. Peace, Bill


I also used to think that CD was not capable of vinyl-quality sound, and that it was a "hard" sounding medium, but I'm not at all sure about this any more.

Atlantic in the UK (and I guess elsewhere..) have had a hideous track-record with the CD medium. The Zeppelin LP's have been remastered about three times now...

I would also say that I am not a fan of Bill Inglot's remastering work - whether it's the Fudge, or the Shadows of Knight, or whoever. His work always has that brash harsh sound which I find offensive. If you compare "Psychedelic Sundae" to the remasters of the early BYRDS or SPIRIT albums put out by Sony/Epic/Legacy, you will find that there simply is no comparison. Bob Irwin, who remastered those particular albums, is simply tremendous at the task of remastereing 60's recordings. They actually do improve upon the vinyl. So I would say that it's not the medium, it's the skill needed to do the job properly.

Phil


Hi Phil,

Your comments about Atlantic-ATCO in the UK are equally true in the United States.

If you compare "Psychedelic Sundae" to the remasters of the early BYRDS or SPIRIT albums put out by Sony/Epic/Legacy, you will find that there simply is no comparison. Bob Irwin, who remastered those particular albums, is simply tremendous at the task of remastereing 60's recordings. They actually do improve upon the vinyl. So I would say that it's not the medium, it's the skill needed to do the job properly. <>Very true. The only redeeming quality about the Psychedelic Sundae cd was that at least they made availible a lot of the rare B-side songs that were never released on the LP's including Good Good Lovin'. Later on most of those appeared on the German imports as CD bonus tracks (except "People") but at the time it came out, Psychedelic SUndae was the only game in town. Peace, Bill


Hi Bill!

It was pretty much "business as usual" for Atlantic in the UK with the "Psychedelic Sundae" release - i.e. not even issued until most of the fans had spent big money on an import copy...

Apart from the less than excellent sound quality (not much better in my view than the widely derided sound quality of the German Repertoire CD's..), I just don't see how you can do justice to a band who produced five albums, plus some rarities on one single CD. They should have had a bit more courage, and at least issued a double CD. That way the full versions of certain tracks could have been included, along with a few more unissued things. Plus - for me at least, any "Best of" would need to include the whole of side 1 of "Renaissance"!!

Mercury even recently treated the SPIRIT catalog to a 2-CD properly remastered compilation - and their original albums probably sold the least amount in that label's history!

A 2-CD Fudge compilation would have been the very least to offer, I think.

Cheers, Phil


Hi Phil,

It was pretty much "business as usual" for Atlantic in the UK with the "Psychedelic Sundae" release - i.e. not even issued until most of the fans had spent big money on an import copy... <>Here in the US, "Psychedelic Sundae" was issued by Rhino Records (same folks who gave us the "Live" cd). I didn't know the PS cd was issued on the Atalantic label in the UK.

Previously you mentioned that the "Rock & Roll" LP wasn't issued in the UK. It was issued in AUstralia under the "Festival" label which was Atalntic's label down under at the time. I don't know which label issued the "Psychedelic Sundae" cd in Australia. Distribution can be really weird on the global level.

the widely derided sound quality of the German Repertoire CD's..), I just don't see how you can do justice to a band who produced five albums, plus some rarities on one single CD. <>Compared to some of the general releases of other "remasterd" cd's in the US, Repertoire wasn't too bad. I agree that the Fudge rated more than a 1 cd compilation. BTW- somebody else in Germany is now releasing the Fudge albums on cd. I haven't got one yet but when I do I'll let you know. I don't even know if they'll have the same "Bonus tracks" as the Repertoire issues but I'm definitely curious if they have improved the sound quality or produced a "cheaper" version (their a few bucks less than the Repertoire versions).

Mercury even recently treated the SPIRIT catalog to a 2-CD properly remastered compilation <>Here in the US, Spirit's "Time Circle" 2cd compilation was released by Epic/Legacy. ANd your right - it was a first rate job. Peace, Bill


Hi Bill,

The "Psychedelic Sundae" Lp we eventually got here in the UK was the very same Rhino (made in the USA) version as yours..

What Atlantic did was to make the CD available, at a "budget" price of around £9 or so, about a year after it appeared in the import shops at around £17. They previously did the same trick with the Iron Butterfly Rhino compilation "Light & Heavy". They waited until everybody had bought the import copy, and then dumped a whole bunch of copies in the regular sales held at the major retail outlets...

The Spirit "Time Circle" Epic double CD is indeed wonderful in every respect, but the double CD on Mercury I referred to was the very recently released "Mercury Years", which takes in almost all of "Spirit of 76"/"Son of Spirit"/"Farther Along", plus bits of "Kahuna Dream" & an unreleased track ("Greenback Dollar"). Plenty of remixed things of interest, & the remastering is of the highest quality - again, far better than the vinyl was. And these original LP's sold ZERO!!

Which was my point. If Mercury can do this, why not Atlantic, when the Fudge sold respectably.

Repertoire releases are very variable, quality wise. There seems to have been no attempt at all at remastering, so I guess the original Fudge vinyl masters must have been pretty good! I picked up their "Near the Beginning" for £3 over here, and a genuine German Atco issue of the 1st LP (7567-90390-2) for the same price. (No extra tracks...)

Cheers! Phil


Hi Phil,

The "Mercury Years" cd sounds great - I wasn't aware of it.

Last night on the search engine I located Atlantic REcords Home Page. It's front page is devoted to a sound track for a sitcom or movie I never heard of. I did learn that in fact Rhino was now a subsidiary of Atlantic and so they are in control of what Rhino produces and distributes (sigh). I wonder if it would do any good for us to start an Email campaign to Atlantic Records requesting they remaster all the Vanilla Fudges music in a boxed set or individual cd's - including Mystery?

Which was my point. If Mercury can do this, why not Atlantic, when the Fudge sold respectably.<> Yes, the Fudge LP's sold very well but the press and industry have been so hostile to the Fudge over the past 30 years that the music has been totally buried under an avalanche of negative reviews. Too many bands that sold far less now have their entire back catalog reissued on cd's (sigh). Another record label whose back catalog has been similarly sequestered or ignored is A&M. Bands like Brasil 66; Baha Marimba Band, We Five, have all failed to be reissued except in some very unsatisfactory compilations or not at all. No explanation - it just happens. Sincerely, Bill


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