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Another guitarist?


I was in the Big Apple last August and heard a band playing in a street park. Played alot of old R&B stuff. I don't remember the name of the band, named after their guitarist. However, the guitarist/band leader started talking up NYC as the greatest music place to be. He went on to say that, "when my old band, The Vanilla Fudge, went to California, I stayed in New York." Any body know anything about this? Was there another guitarist before Vinnie Martel?


**Any body know anything about this? Was there another guitarist before Vinnie Martel?**

MM,

I'll have to second Bill's replies. I know of no other guitarists other than the ones Bill mentioned, albeit there's been a bunch. IMO, Vince was the only real "member" guitarist, the others being Vanilla Fudge with...

Pete


Hi Music Maker,

It sounds like you're describing the Vince Martell Band. Vinny lives in New York while the remainder of the Fudge moved to California years ago.

Vince is very active on the New York music scene and even has his own television show which includes live jams with whoever happens to drop in. You can learn more about him and his many activities around New York on the Vince Martell web page (check links on our main page) and the recent interview he gave this web page in April. All of us are looking foreward to the release of his new solo CD sometime this year.

Peace, Bill


Thanks Bill

Your answer sounds plausible. But when the guy I de- scribed made the comments that he did, I went over to the park playbill to check out his name (I already knew Vince Martell was the VF guitarist). The name was different. That's why I was wondering if some other guitarist played with the VF players before Vince.

MM


Hi Music Maker,

Ooops! I logged off before I remembered one other possibile guitarist. The only other guitarist I can think of associated with the Fudge was whoever played on the "Vanilla Fudge Live" LP prodiced by Carmine Appice (Rhino Records).

Unfortunately I don't have his name. The personnel I'm aware of on that LP include Carmine himself (the only origial member); Derek St. Holmes (singer); Michael Dee (Bass). Derek somebody (?-played with Alice Cooper for awhile) played Keyboards, except on "Ticket to Ride" where Ron Bloom played the keyboards (Bloom also mixed the LP). Sorry I can't help you on the guitar player on that album. It's also possible the guy you saw in NY might have been from this album's lineup.

Peace, Bill


Hi MM,

Text written by MM: (That's why I was wondering if some other guitarist played with the VF players before Vince.)

Vince was the original guitar player for the Pigeons and Vanilla Fudge. He joined Mark Stein and Tim Bogert who had split from Rick Martin and the Showmen. The early band (Pigeons) also included Rick Martin's drummer for a time before Carmine Appice joined.

Starting in the early 80's there was a series of reunions by Vanilla Fudge which often included another guitar player as Vince was working on other projects at the time.

On the 1984 "Mystery" reunion LP, Ron Mancuso did most of the lead guitar along with "J.Toad" (aka Jeff Beck).

Paul Hanson, a former student of Tim Bogert's and now on the faculty of the Musicians Institute in LA, was the guitarist on the Fudge's 1987 (20th Aniv.) tour here in the US.

Finally the Fudge performed at Atlantic Records 40th Aniv.(see Shawn Perry's great article - link off our index page)and Lanny Cordoba was the guitarist. Lanny worked with Mark Stein in a band called Danger Zone. The only time I ever heard Danger Zone was on the soundtrack of the Steve Guttenberg movie, "Rear Window". The band played a really nice version of "You Keep Me Hangin' On" in that movie's soundtrack.

So if it wasn't Vince you saw, it had to be one of the above guitarists. As far as I know, Paul Hanson and Lanny Cordola still live and work in California. I can't tell you much more about Ron Mancuso. Those are the only guitarists I'm aware of who have ever been associated with the Vanilla Fudge in the last 30 years.

Peace, Bill


Hey guys,

I should've gone to Vince's website and interview before displaying my ingnorance in public. The picture of how he looks now matches the guy I saw in the street concert in NYC. I must've misread the playbill. Oh, well.

MM


**I should've gone to Vince's website and interview before displaying my ingnorance in public. The picture of how he looks now matches the guy I saw in the street concert in NYC. I must've misread the playbill. Oh, well.**

MM,

Better it be him and you make an innocent mistake, than have some guy floating around claiming to be a member!

Pete


Hi Music Maker,

Until this web page none of us knew much about Vince over the past 20 odd years. He just quietly did his own thing in New York during the succesive waves of Disco, Punk, Techno, Rap, Alternative... The solo record he cut in 1983 is quite rare, very good, and non-commercial.

Text written by MM:

(I must've misread the playbill.)

Happens to me all the time too (smile). I wish I could have seen Vince's show it must have been a killer. If you get the chance and are so inclined, we'd love to hear more about your memories of Vince's show.

Peace, Bill


Bill,

In regard to the street/park show I'm referring to, I don't have alot to say. My daughter and I were sightseeing with a "native" and just happened upon the scene. The few songs we heard were old R & B stuff (like "Mustang Sally") and straight ahead blues-based rock. I was impressed with the guitarist, and bassist. The tenor sax player was mediocre and the keyboardist tried to upstage everybody (although, Vince seemed happy with him). Drums were O.K. and a harp player sat in on a couple songs(couldn't tell if he's a regular). That was my initial reaction. Good fun music for a day in the park.

MM


Hi Music Maker,

The repertoir sure sounds like Vince (his voice is great on R&B). As a matter of fact "Mustang Sally" was recorded by Vince, Mark Stein & Tim Bogert on their early Pigeons LP, "While the Whole WOrld Was Eating Vanilla Fudge". I think Tim Bogert sang lead vocal on the Pigeons version of "Mustang Sally".

Text written by MM:

(I was impressed with the guitarist, and bassist.)

Vince never received the recognition he deserved as a guitarist, IMO. I've been very pleased to hear that he sounds even better on his solo work (ie Ladder of Life). During the interview he gave Aaron Butler for the web page Vince brought along the acoustic guitar you see in the photos and Aaron recorded him doing a really fine 12 bar blues song off the cuff. Every note was clear as a bell.

Vince is a very generous person and I think has been a sort of mentor for many young or amateur musicians in the New York area. He has a syndicated television show which plays on (and produces-having earned some sort of degree having to do with telecommunications) public access channels on the east coast (I haven't seen it) and invites a variety of people to come on and jam with him for the sheer joy of it. Vince plays because he loves it and it really shows through on the solo work I've heard him record.

Text written by MM:

( Good fun music for a day in the park.)

People we love and the fleeting moments we can share with them. That's what it's all about ! I just wish more parents were into sharing a day in the park with their own children. Peace, Bill


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